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Proof that LeBron James faced tougher playoff competition than Michael Jordan
詹姆斯季後賽面臨比喬丹更艱難的競爭的證據
With the Cleveland Cavaliers one win away from locking up their 2017 NBA
Finals rematch with the Golden State Warriors, and with those Finals not
slated to start until June 1, we're going to spend a lot of time over the
next week talking about Michael Jordan.
在總冠軍開打前，我們來花時間討論一下喬丹
That's fine! We're all adults here. We can discuss how LeBron stacks up
against the Greatest of All Time like reasonable people — and that
conversation starts with their postseason competition.
我們可以討論詹姆斯的生涯怎麼很合理的跟公認史上最偉大的球員比較，首先我們
可以先比較他們季後賽遇到的強度
People have been throwing around takes on LeBron's dominance of the Eastern
Conference and Jordan's relatively easy Finals matchups lately, but we've yet
to see a year-by-year, series-by-series breakdown of each superstar's
postseason history.
人們總是說姆斯統治了東區，但喬丹的總決賽很輕鬆，但我們沒有看見任何年對年的比較
For the sake of this exercise, we went through Jordan's last 12 playoff runs,
compared them to LeBron's 12 trips to the playoffs, year-by-year, and picked
a winner for who faced tougher playoff competition in Playoff Year One, Year
Two, and so on.
因此，我們拿喬丹最後12年的季後賽跟姆斯這12年的季後賽做比較。並選出哪隊的對手
比較難搞。
For a truer comparison, we excluded Jordan's rookie season — when the Bulls
made it to the playoffs and were quickly eliminated by the Celtics — in
order to compare 12 years to 12 years, and to account for LeBron entering the
league as an 18-year-old, relative to the 21-year-old rookie Jordan.
為了公平的比較，我們把喬丹的菜鳥球季移除，因為那年被賽隊慘電，而且姆斯也比
喬丹年輕三歲進入NBA
Our conclusion? While LeBron has a long way to go before he's done, he has
indeed faced a tougher road through the playoffs than Jordan did, even as
he's fought through such a weak Eastern Conference.
結論？雖然姆斯的生涯還很長，他卻遇到比喬丹還要艱困的季後賽，就算他是跟比較
弱的東區對抗
季後賽第一年
Playoff year No. 1 (Jordan: 1986; James: 2006)
Jordan's opponents: Boston Celtics (67-15)
James' opponents: Washington Wizards (42-40), Detroit Pistons (64-18)
Although Jordan was eliminated in the first round for the first three years
of his career, going up against the Celtics led by Larry Bird was undoubtedly
a tougher task than LeBron James' inaugural romp through the Wizards and
eventual playoff exit at the hands of the Pistons.
雖然喬丹連三年第一輪被淘汰，對上大鳥的賽爾迪克顯然是比姆斯的巫師和活塞還要困
難的挑戰
Advantage: Jordan
喬丹勝出
季後賽第二年
Playoff year No. 2 (Jordan: 1987; James: 2007)
Jordan's opponents: Boston Celtics (59-23)
James' opponents: Washington Wizards (41-41), New Jersey Nets (41-41),
Detroit Pistons (53-29), San Antonio Spurs (58-24)
1987 was the last year the Celtics made the NBA Finals in the Larry Bird era,
with the Hick from French Lick battling problems from a 1985 back injury
suffered while shoveling his driveway.
1987年是大鳥時代最後一年到決賽，而他的大腿 Hick受了傷
So while Boston was still a formidable squad, LeBron takes Year No. 2 by
virtue of leading an overmatched Cleveland team to the NBA Finals.
所以雖然賽隊還是很強，姆斯第二年就一個人帶隊到總冠軍賽
Advantage: James
姆斯勝出
季後賽第三年
Playoff year No. 3 (Jordan: 1988; James: 2008)
Jordan's opponents: Cleveland Cavaliers (42-40), Detroit Pistons (54-28)
James' opponents: Washington Wizards (43-39), Boston Celtics (66-16)
Year No. 3 is an easy comparison between the two — a first-round defeat of a
less-talented foe, followed by a second-round defeat by a team that would
haunt each player in the early going of their careers.
這一年蠻好比的，第一輪好打，第二輪的對手擋了他們幾年
Advantage: James
姆斯勝出
季後賽第四年
Playoff year No. 4 (Jordan: 1989; James: 2009)
Jordan's opponents: Cleveland Cavaliers (57-25), New York Knicks (52-30),
Detroit Pistons (63-19)
James' opponents: Detroit Pistons (39-43), Atlanta Hawks (47-35), Orlando
Magic (59-23)
Jordan faced Patrick Ewing, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars and Bill Laimbeer, among
others, in year four of this exercise, while LeBron only had to deal with
Dwight Howard.
喬丹要跟尤英、湯姆斯、杜馬斯和藍比爾對抗，姆斯只需要對付魔獸
Advantage: Jordan
喬丹勝出
季後賽第五年
Playoff year No. 5 (Jordan: 1990; James: 2010)
Jordan's opponents: Milwaukee Bucks (44-38), Philadelphia 76ers (53-29),
Detroit Pistons (59-23)
James' opponents: Chicago Bulls (41-41), Boston Celtics (50-32)
That 2010 Bulls team was better than its record indicated, and the 2010
Celtics made the Finals, but His Airness gets a close win in Year 5 thanks to
his bouts with Charles Barkley's Sixers and his final defeat at the hands of
the Bad Boy Pistons.
雖然2010的公牛比戰績所顯示的還好，而且賽隊是那年進到總冠軍，喬丹靠著跟
巴克利對抗以及對壞小子活塞的首勝而勉強勝出
Advantage: Jordan
喬丹勝出
季後賽第六年
Playoff year No. 6 (Jordan: 1991; James: 2011)
Jordan's opponents: New York Knicks (39-43), Philadelphia 76ers (44-38),
Detroit Pistons (50-32), Los Angeles Lakers (58-24)
James' opponents: Philadelphia 76ers (41-41), Boston Celtics (56-26), Chicago
Bulls (62-20), Dallas Mavericks (57-25)
Ignore the fact that LeBron lost to the Mavericks in the Finals, which is
irrelevant for our purposes here. The King's first Heat team faced better
teams across the board in the 2011 playoffs than the Bulls did in 1991.
忽略姆斯總冠軍輸球的事實，畢竟我們比較的是對手，大帝的熱火隊每一輪都遇到
比公牛強很多的對手
Now, you might point to Chicago's series against the Lakers as an argument in
Jordan's favor, but that Los Angeles team featured Vlade Divac as its
third-best player.
或許你會覺喬丹的總冠軍對手是湖人，那湖人那時候第三得分手是Divac
Were the Lakers better than the '11 Mavs? Probably, sure. They had Magic
Johnson, after all.
那年的湖人會贏11的小牛嗎？ 應該吧，畢竟他們有魔術強生
The difference isn't enough to tip year six to Jordan, though.
但比較前三輪對手能力差，找不到說喬丹的對手比較強的理由
Advantage: James
姆斯勝出
季後賽第七年
Playoff year No. 7 (Jordan: 1992; James: 2012)
Jordan's opponents: Miami Heat (38-44), New York Knicks (51-31), Cleveland
Cavaliers (57-25), Portland Trail Blazers (57-25)
James' opponents: New York Knicks (36-30), Indiana Pacers (42-24), Boston
Celtics (39-27), Oklahoma City Thunder (47-19)
換算成82場：尼克(45勝)、賽隊(48勝)、溜馬(52勝)、雷霆(58勝)
Don't let the oddly low win totals for LeBron's opponents confuse you.
Remember, this was the year of the lockout, meaning that Knicks team played
at a 45-win pace, the Pacers at 52 wins, and the Thunder would have won 58
games in an 82-game season.
不要因為封館而誤會姆斯的對手
Meanwhile, Jordan waltzed through the Eastern Conference, only needing to
vanquish Patrick Ewing to earn a leisurely championship victory over Clyde
Drexler's Blazers.
喬丹在東區只要遇到尤英，其它輪很輕鬆。
(姆斯總冠軍賽遇到雷霆三哨、東區遇到賽隊和溜馬，基本上超硬）
Advantage: James
姆斯勝出
季後賽第8年
Playoff year No. 8 (Jordan: 1993; James: 2013)
Jordan's opponents: Atlanta Hawks (43-39), Cleveland Cavaliers (54-28), New
York Knicks (60-22), Phoenix Suns (62-20)
James' opponents: Milwaukee Bucks (38-44), Chicago Bulls (45-37), Indiana
Pacers (49-32), San Antonio Spurs (58-24)
2013 was the year we started to feel the full force of LeBron's dominance of
the Eastern Conference. Free agents started heading west, and the playoff
field was far worse for their decisions.
2013年我們開始感受到姆斯在東區的統治力。自由球員奔走西區，季後賽戰場也因為
他們的進定變得很爛
Advantage: Jordan
喬丹勝出
季後賽第九年
Playoff year No. 9 (Jordan: 1995; James: 2014)
Jordan's opponents: Charlotte Hornets (50-32), Orlando Magic (57-25)
James' opponents: Charlotte Hornets (43-39), Brooklyn Nets (44-38), Indiana
Pacers (56-26), San Antonio Spurs (62-20)
Jordan had to shake off the post-retirement rust in 1995, so he didn't get to
square off with Hakeem Olajuwon's Rockets.
喬丹剛復出，能力尚未恢復，所以他連歐拉朱萬的火箭都遇不到
LeBron, meanwhile, lost in the Finals to a Spurs team that played some of the
greatest basketball we've ever seen in a best-of-seven series.
姆斯在總決賽輸給了馬刺，這個馬刺打出了季後賽最棒的籃球
Advantage: James
姆斯勝出
季後賽第十年
Playoff year No. 10 (Jordan: 1996; James: 2015)
Jordan's opponents: Miami Heat (42-40), New York Knicks (47-35), Orlando
Magic (60-22), Seattle Sonics (64-18)
James' opponents: Boston Celtics (40-42), Chicago Bulls (50-32), Atlanta
Hawks (60-22), Golden State Warriors (67-15)
From Alonzo Mourning to Patrick Ewing, Shaquille O'Neal, and the dynamic duo
of Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp, the '96 Bulls had to tear through a gauntlet
of mid-90s legends to cap their historic 72-10 season.
從莫寧到尤因、歐尼爾、手套和坎普，96公牛必須要擊敗90中的傳奇來創造出他72勝的
球季
LeBron, on the other hand, didn't break a sweat until a Finals series in
which the Cavs were missing both Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving.
姆斯在到總冠前沒有流什麼汗，雖然愛和厄文都不見了
Advantage: Jordan
喬丹勝出
季後賽第11年
Playoff year No. 11 (Jordan: 1997; James: 2016)
Jordan's opponents: Washington Bullets (44-30), Atlanta Hawks (56-26), Miami
Heat (61-21), Utah Jazz (64-18)
James' opponents: Detroit Pistons (44-38), Atlanta Hawks (48-34), Toronto
Raptors (56-26), Golden State Warriors (73-19)
Year 11 offered weak competition for both LeBron and Jordan prior to the
Finals, with Jordan holding a slight edge in the second and third rounds. Yet
as good as the Jazz were in the late-90s, taking on the best regular-season
team in NBA history means this year goes to LeBron.
姆斯和喬丹在東區都蠻輕鬆的，喬丹的東區對手稍強，但姆斯總決賽的對手是nba例行賽
史上最強球隊
As for those 73-19 Warriors? We'll touch on how they impact this discussion
in our conclusion.
Advantage: LeBron
姆斯勝出
季後賽第十二年
Playoff year No. 12 (Jordan: 1998; James: 2017)
Jordan's opponents: New Jersey Nets (43-39), Charlotte Hornets (51-31),
Indiana Pacers (58-24), Utah Jazz (62-20)
James' opponents: Indiana Pacers (42-40), Toronto Raptors (51-31), Boston
Celtics (53-29), Golden State Warriors (67-15)
Neither Jordan nor LeBron faced particularly tough competition in the Eastern
Conference in Year 12, with The King claiming this one on the strength of the
Warriors team he's one game away from facing in the NBA Finals.
前三輪雙方的挑戰都差不多，但是姆斯總冠軍的對手強了爵士不只一個等級
Advantage: James
姆斯勝出
結果
The bottom line
Here's the final tally: Jordan had the harder road through the postseason
five times (Years 1, 4, 5, 8, and 10), while LeBron faced tougher competition
(Years 2, 3, 6, 7, 9, 11, and 12) in seven postseasons.
喬丹5:7姆斯
The fact that these two are neck-and-neck is fitting — and offers a
reasonable, nuanced answer to the question of whether LeBron or Jordan faced
tougher playoff competition in their careers:
Jordan consistently had a tougher time through the first three rounds of the
playoffs, which makes sense. There were fewer teams in the NBA during his
time, so all of the talent in the Association was more tightly distributed
than it is in 2017.
喬丹強三輪的競爭比較激烈，畢竟以前的NBA球隊比較少（像中職一樣）
But LeBron undoubtedly went up against better opponents in the Finals because
he plays in the age of player movement and superteams.
但是姆斯毫無疑問的在總冠軍面對更強的對手，因為他是在球員抱腿以及超級球隊的時代
Although His Airness had fewer cakewalks before the Finals, his hardest work
was over by the time he was playing for a ring each year — while LeBron was
just getting started.
雖然總冠前他都在吃蛋糕，但他最困難的工作剛從總冠賽開始
Indeed, if you stack up all 13 teams these two faced in the NBA Finals, six
of the top eight would be LeBron opponents, including the top four (the 2017
Warriors, 2016 Warriors, 2014 Spurs, and 2012 Thunder).
確實，如果比較這兩隻球隊在總決所遇到全部13隻的隊伍，前8名有6隊是姆斯的敵人，
包含了前四名(2017勇士、2016勇士、2014馬刺、2012雷霆)
Only the 1993 Suns and 1996 Sonics can hold a candle to any of LeBron's foes
— and those are the two series that gave Jordan the most trouble in his
career.
只有93的太陽和96的超音速勉強可和姆斯遇到的對手一拚。而這兩個隊伍偏偏在總冠
也給喬丹造成最大的麻煩
So even if you want to give MJ the edge in a couple of those close postseason
comparisons, or even if you believe he faced tougher superstars, this
argument boils down to the level of competition in the Finals, where LeBron
wins.
所以就算你說喬丹的前三輪比較累，只比總冠軍的對手強度，喬丹完全比不上姆斯
心得：
說姆斯得要連拿三個冠軍才能追上喬丹還蠻好笑的
畢竟喬丹如果對上姆斯14年以來的對手
可能根本連一年都拿不到冠軍
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMwoAjQ5yas
看一下公牛對上弱化版curry怎麼守擋拆的
這種防守連今年的拓荒者都打不贏
當然不可否認結果以前的公牛到現今可以學會新的防守觀念
缺少三分武器的公牛到現在基本上是難在跟現在的超級球隊對抗了
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噓 s106667 : 姆斯自己也很大團 05/25 23:51
噓 wmigrant : 呵呵 05/25 23:53
噓 johnwu : 原來以前防守都是紙糊的 05/25 23:53
→ wmigrant : 原來還有這種比法 05/25 23:53
噓 avtime : 我快笑死惹 05/25 23:53
噓 er4488 : 自己都不覺得好笑嗎XD 05/25 23:54
噓 minchien311 : XD 05/25 23:54
→ er4488 : 不是說LBJ不強，但這種不必要的洗白還是算了吧 05/25 23:54
→ hide0325 : 你看MJ打的輕鬆 是因為他是MJ… 05/25 23:55
→ shwkz : 不意外啊...你看喬丹冠軍賽的對手 只有爵士 其他隊 05/25 23:55
噓 lonelysin : 辛苦你翻了一篇8.7分的專欄。 05/25 23:55
→ shwkz : 真的沒到馬刺勇士那麼強 05/25 23:56
→ richard1003 : 第二年MJ輸給綠衫王朝,LBJ贏的那幾隊也只有活塞較強 05/25 23:56
噓 wmigrant : 別以為英文的就比較專業 呵呵 05/25 23:56
→ richard1003 : 這樣算LBJ贏喔? 05/25 23:57
噓 dre0105 : 看到ㄧ半就知道是大廢文 這種比法真粗糙 05/25 23:57
→ heavensun : MJ不必面對 73勝的Warriors LBJ的敵人比較強 05/25 23:57
噓 saobing : 西區剩半血出線 05/25 23:57
噓 GGdong : 整篇低能到不行 05/25 23:58
→ heavensun : LBJ史上唯一打敗73勝拿冠的 難度比MJ高 05/25 23:58
推 windsad2006 : LBJ > 73 > 72 05/25 23:58
噓 justice0926 : 史上最大團 整天找理由 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 05/25 23:58
噓 wmigrant : 評論當小說寫喔 ZZZ 05/25 23:59
推 baobeising : 不要貼那個影片啦...會顯示公牛團隊防守的弱智... 05/25 23:59
噓 cjs1011 : MJ在現今應該可以招募比勇騎更大團,突破天際 XDDD 05/26 00:00
→ gibe : 兩個人在的東區強度就差那麼多了還比什麼啊 05/26 00:00
→ Fadeway : 喬丹就是怕有三分射手 看他打神米多辛苦 05/26 00:00
推 chuangtzu : 以前擋拆的擋人都不移動的耶 超守規矩的! 05/26 00:00
推 Jotard : 內文不說，沒看影片還不知道公牛守擋拆也只是普普 05/26 00:00
→ Jotard : 這樣碰到移動長城勇士應該是被咖喱射假的吧？ 05/26 00:01
噓 wu5834 : 捧LBJ捧到這樣 科科 05/26 00:01
→ Fadeway : 詹皇的騎士三分火力兇猛 喬丹公牛又怕三分 05/26 00:01
噓 DuncanRhoads: 喬丹有無恥去找同梯組團？ 05/26 00:02
噓 teruhyde12 : 發現冠軍數ㄧ輩子追不上，只好找理由麻痺自己 05/26 00:02
噓 wmigrant : 影片更是可笑 規則不同耶老兄 05/26 00:02
→ wu5834 : MJ生在現代 別說Curry LBJ都很可能終生0冠啦XD 05/26 00:03
→ Fadeway : 騎士也有籃板癡漢 絕對把喬丹公牛射到跪地叫聲詹皇 05/26 00:03
→ DuncanRhoads: 84梯組團 MJ+歐拉+巴克利 不知MJ戒指會多幾個？ 05/26 00:04
→ hunt5566 : 打贏73勝就是爽 管他有沒有比喬丹艱苦 05/26 00:04
噓 auron4041 : 這也太蝦 05/26 00:04
→ wu5834 : 我看LBJ連東冠也拿不太到吧 呵呵 05/26 00:04
→ shwkz : 弱化版Curry是什麼鬼？ 05/26 00:04
→ shwkz : 你太小看LBJ防守了 Kobe在其對位上 都被壓制何況MJ 05/26 00:05
→ hide0325 : MJ不會在FINAL被打到提早下場坐板凳 05/26 00:05
推 johnwu : 樓上MJ>>>>>>>>>>Kobe 05/26 00:06
→ shwkz : 去看兩人對戰成績就知道了 MJ當然會好一點 05/26 00:09
噓 june0204 : 好虛的造神 05/26 00:15
噓 micbrimac : 比比看兩人打50勝球隊的勝場數 睜眼說瞎話阿 05/26 00:23
推 evif : 是在作夢嗎？姆迷這也看的下去喔？ 05/26 00:24
推 lazur : 推 實話比較難被接受 05/26 00:25
推 evif : 太小看腿詹防守壓制在哪？這跟科迷拿食二鍋有什差別 05/26 00:27
→ evif : ？ 05/26 00:27
→ FatalLuna : Jordan遇到現在的勇士大概就終生0冠了 05/26 00:27
噓 bieber07 : 噓 05/26 00:29
推 yuyuc : 我信你了 05/26 00:30
→ shwkz : 個人防守有進階數據啊 LBJ是三人中最好的 05/26 00:32
噓 dsa79528 : 爛透了 05/26 00:36
噓 Linethan : 公牛當年自己就是史上最強球隊，當然遇不到史上最強 05/26 00:36
→ Linethan : 球隊當對手啊，難道自己跟自己打冠軍賽嗎？ 05/26 00:36
→ paso : 抱腿抱那麼嚴重還在姆斯勝出~這版都快變姆斯正義版 05/26 00:36
→ ifyoutry : 你也知道公牛如果在現代不會一樣就別提什麼ＭＪ可能 05/26 00:37
→ ifyoutry : 無罐來討噓了呀． 05/26 00:37
推 Linethan : 拿LBJ打贏73勝勇士來吹捧真是笑話，這麼厲害為啥不 05/26 00:39
→ Linethan : 自己當那支73勝球隊？ 05/26 00:39
推 leophior : 這幾年的勇士的確是比97.98爵士強 05/26 00:45
推 jaybaby : 這篇文章就打臉自己了啊 姆斯在東區 西區比較強 05/26 00:46
→ jaybaby : 所以這篇純比總決賽當然吃香 可是內文也說了 05/26 00:46
噓 kswinlewis : 樓上神邏輯 73勝想有就有哦 你以為在打2K? 05/26 00:46
→ jaybaby : 前三輪LBJ遇到的弱MJ年代很多 這不就廢話 05/26 00:46
→ jaybaby : MJ是東區血戰 所以總決賽最多六場就完工 05/26 00:47
→ jaybaby : LBJ除了第一次打馬刺是少主外 其他次都是選大腿 05/26 00:48
噓 hiro1221 : 可以發這麼長的廢文也是不容易 05/26 00:51
推 neos042 : 身為LBJ迷，也覺得不該這麼比較... 05/26 00:52
噓 HBK : 廢文無國界 05/26 01:04
噓 chrisjeremy : 廢文 第2年就開始鬼扯了 05/26 01:06
噓 bluemei : MJ剛復出和熱火三王巔峰贏蔡逼八三哨也可以姆斯勝出 05/26 01:09
推 s855160 : 只不過拿一個73勝的垃圾球隊刷數據沒什麼好神化 05/26 01:15
→ shwkz : 小牛打贏熱火都能吹捧 為什麼LBJ打贏73勝不行 標準? 05/26 01:22
→ FatalLuna : 因為小牛用Dirk單核打贏三王耶 05/26 01:25
→ shwkz : 小牛也只有一次 就能吹成這樣 所以才覺得奇怪啊 05/26 01:27
→ shwkz : 73勝幾次？ 70勝球隊幾隻？ 05/26 01:27
噓 Bonjwa : 超大團加抱腿說什麼困難 05/26 01:27
→ shwkz : 這三年勝場數已是公牛王朝等級 講的好像很容易贏... 05/26 01:28
推 lesnaree2 : 詹酸版不意外 05/26 01:47
噓 liclin1220 : 個人造業個人擔，抱團始祖遇到更大抱團，哭哭?! 05/26 02:07
噓 SongLa5566 : ————————— 又臭又長。 05/26 02:15
推 claydt : 足踴繼續嗆，沒關係啊~ 05/26 02:21
噓 edwin1231 : ?立場一直換 05/26 02:24
噓 kidd168 : 快去打棒球兩年再回來組隊阿 05/26 02:41
噓 chandrian : 屁 05/26 02:54
噓 DYTwu : LBJ這種咖跟老皮比差不多，整天跟MJ比是要比什麼？ 05/26 02:56
→ DYTwu : 跟Michael Jackson 比可以啦 05/26 02:56
推 luke2 : 詹酸高潮到出汁了XDDDDDDDDD 05/26 04:41
噓 black55 : 國外也有廢文阿 05/26 05:13
→ Leo4891 : 這種文章有判斷價值? 整篇都在張飛打岳飛 05/26 05:46
噓 Kulan : 87 05/26 05:46
→ Leo4891 : 這篇說MJ對手沒競爭力 我也可以說MJ高出對手好幾級 05/26 05:47
噓 wasijohn : 84梯球星幾乎都散於各隊，每個都有奪冠實力。現在球 05/26 06:56
→ wasijohn : 星都抱腿，的確是神。 05/26 06:56
噓 Eijidate : 爵士巔峰兩年可是有輾過馬刺才碰到喬丹的 05/26 06:59
→ Eijidate : 反觀LBJ前期被馬刺橫掃 05/26 07:00
噓 Eijidate : 馬龍和Stockton巔峰時的擋拆,超厲害的 05/26 07:03
噓 megumirei : 沒看過馬龍虐歐肥6犯下場 還橫掃湖人4個全明星? 05/26 07:22
推 wade114 : 帶風向?我可不吃這套 05/26 07:32
推 lversonYA : 73勝超越公牛王朝 05/26 07:33
推 wewe44556 : 沒有 姆斯幾乎爽爽過 難打的也幾乎過不了關,例如08 05/26 07:33
→ wewe44556 : 對超賽,09對魔術,那些系列賽才是真正的戰爭,但姆斯 05/26 07:33
→ wewe44556 : 根本贏並下來 05/26 07:33
推 wade114 : 勇士真的很強，有誰敢說喬丹對手哪個比的上? 05/26 07:34
→ Leo4891 : 哪裡強阿 阿不就規則受益者 還好意思說喔 05/26 07:44
噓 hau7341 : 73勝？差點連西冠都沒有...靠聯盟推上去的吧... 05/26 07:44
→ hau7341 : 姆斯東區根本爽爽過...好意思說啊... 05/26 07:45
→ Leo4891 : 靠著對手主將受傷才拿一冠 然後說自己強 呵呵 05/26 07:45
→ Leo4891 : 我也能說現在的球隊強弱M型化 抱腿組隊搞得其他支球 05/26 07:46
推 wayne64001 : 嘻嘻酸酸各種噓 舒服 05/26 07:46
→ Leo4891 : 隊沒啥競爭力 當然爽爽打顯得自己超強的假象 05/26 07:46
噓 ddrose : 有笑有推 05/26 08:08
推 gogobala5566: 喬丹真的都打一堆雜魚… 05/26 08:13
噓 attdave : 好啦好啦他最強他最棒歷史第一人 05/26 08:16
噓 attdave : LBJ在那個年代連東冠都摸不到還總冠咧 05/26 08:19
→ attdave : 還是說要去躲西區？ 05/26 08:19
→ attdave : 西區馬龍隨便都打贏他 05/26 08:20
推 hygen : 外國記者同樣也會喜歡發廢文XD，大概跟LYS學的? 05/26 08:21
→ attdave : 他的坦克切在那個年代只是輕坦 05/26 08:21
噓 yankee50103 : 哪天腿迷說2>>>6這種奇特言論我都不意外 姆斯勝出~ 05/26 08:22
噓 atking : 硬捧 太牽強了 功力不夠 05/26 08:22
噓 majongson : 翻譯:腿詹如果今年輸了，是因為遇到比MJ更強的對手 05/26 08:43
→ majongson : 雖敗猶榮 05/26 08:44
噓 cecille : 無聊 05/26 08:45
噓 pprose : 呵呵 05/26 08:47
噓 xxplayss : 怎麼不說姆斯數據是在較弱的娘炮聯盟刷出來的？喬丹 05/26 08:50
→ xxplayss : 是在硬漢聯盟打球？ 05/26 08:50
推 nathan2000 : 規則完全不同，是要比個鳥. 05/26 09:08
噓 fish780722 : 說個笑話：東區競爭 05/26 09:22
推 SQOneal : 2016 GSW (73-19) ??? 05/26 09:28
推 igotyouhaha : 好酸啊 西區超大團不是也說超過公牛？ 05/26 09:31
→ igotyouhaha : 還73聖捏 05/26 09:31
→ moyamoya : NBA容許MJ新人年抱團湖或塞 前七年大概都是冠軍 05/26 09:33
噓 xwingxwing : 現在都是一堆渣隊 笑話隊這種水準 你跟我說打贏總冠 05/26 09:37
→ xwingxwing : 軍難度高? 05/26 09:37
→ xwingxwing : 笑話隊這種水平套當年防守規則打 連季後賽都很抖 05/26 09:38
噓 hakama99 : 有沒有輕鬆都憑感覺欸 05/26 10:18
推 DYTwu : 對啦所以打不贏才找一堆明星球員來啊，難怪其他隊只 05/26 10:19
→ DYTwu : 剩被虐的份，把東區挖完再來打一隊西區就騙到冠軍囉 05/26 10:19
噓 gameking5036: 爵士雙老沒有勇士強?? 05/26 10:53
推 a31416701614: 中肯阿 總冠軍機運成分也是很大 論數據 LBJ就是史上 05/26 11:51
→ a31416701614: 第一 05/26 11:51
噓 glyandwwc : 薪資最高的最大團還好意思說 05/26 17:11