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前言:總板規矩多，隊板這篇有多翻幾段關於隊內的狀況
來源:The rose garden report (Sean Highkin 拓荒者隊伍記者)
網址:
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https://reurl.cc/LX9drK (拓荒者球迷信箱答疑)
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We're in the middle of my least favorite week of the NBA calendar.
我們正處在NBA日程中我最不喜歡的一週當中
There are no trades yet—just a lot of waiting and a lot of rumors. And with
that comes a lot of stress for everyone. For those of us on the media side,
it's trying to chase this stuff and figure out which whispers we hear are
real and which ones are posturing. For you, the fan, it's spending hours
killing time on the Trade Machine wondering why your team's GM won't just do
something already. For the GMs themselves, there are a lot of moving parts to
juggle—multiple talks about the same players with different teams, figuring
out what works under the salary cap, mitigating leaks and leverage plays.
目前尚未有交易案發生，只能在滿滿的乳摸中等待。山雨欲來風滿樓，對於我們這群
記者來說，一直在試圖確認這些留言是否真實，抑或只是來帶帶風向。但對球迷而言，
降低見光死的風險及後續的蝴蝶效應
It's even worse for players. Even the guys that swear they don't read social
media or pay attention to this stuff are lying. Everyone in every locker room
sees the same rumors you see and knows who's on the block, even if they don't
talk about it in the open. They hear you screaming online to trade them. Some
are affected by it, some are not. The players who know they're being traded
know that means they're going to have to move their families to a new city on
short notice. You can make the argument that NBA players get paid a lot of
money to deal with these headaches, but that doesn't mean they're not real.
對球員的影響更糟，甚至是那群發誓不關注社交媒體或這些流言的人只是在說謊罷了，
每一位在更衣室的球員都會跟你各位看見相同的乳摸，且更清楚知道誰在檯面上，
即使他們不會公開談論這些。當球迷在網路大喊交易時，有些球員會受影響，有些不會。
球員當被告知交易時，不得不短時間準備好帶著家人搬到新城市，你確實可以說NBA球員
賺這麼多錢本來就該面對這些，但這就是實際發生在球員身上的事
It makes everyone in the building on-edge, especially within teams in
situations like Portland's, where losses have piled up lately and everybody
knows changes are coming. Even Damian Lillard, the most even-keeled player
I've ever covered, snapped at a reporter a couple weeks ago for asking a
question about the trade deadline after a bad loss to the Lakers, and he's
the only guy on this team that knows he's not getting traded. Everyone's
feeling it, and everyone would rather it be in the rear view.
這使得每個人都處於風口浪尖，尤其是像波特蘭這樣的球隊，近期的影響逐漸增大，
且每位球員都知道即將有變動。就連Dame也一樣，在我採訪生涯中最冷靜的球員，
也在幾週前輸給湖人的比賽後，對一名提問關於交易大限的記者發火，他也是隊伍
唯一一名不會被交易的球員。每位球員都能感受到這股氛圍，也希望能在未來藍圖內。
You can always tell it's this time of year by who's in town. Lately, Trail
Blazers general manager Joe Cronin has had just about his entire front-office
staff, many of whom are usually out scouting college or NBA games this time
of year, in the arena and at the practice facility. Assistant GMs Andrae
Patterson, Mike Schmitz and Sergi Oliva have been here, along with director
of basketball planning and strategy Asjha Jones, who manages the team's
salary cap. This is the time for everyone on the staff to hunker down and
focus, and also the time for us to read way too much into which executives
from the visiting team's traveling party we spot on the court before a game
talking to someone from Portland's front office. The feeling of tension and
uncertainty is inescapable.
每年的這段期間你能透過誰還留在波特蘭判斷狀況。最近克總已經把幾乎全辦公室人員
都派了出去，其中很多人這期間通常都待在球場或訓練場偵查大學或NBA比賽。包含助理
總管群 Andrae Patterson、Mike Schmitz和Sergi Oliva，還有負責管理薪資空間的球團
戰略總監Asjha Jones。現在是所有辦公室人員都需要集中精神的時候，也是所有記者媒體
在賽前採訪波特蘭管理層時，同樣關注跟隨客隊來訪的各自相關管理層人士的時候。緊張
與不確定的氛圍是無法避免的。
That's why I hate this week. Being around this much unspoken stress just
creates more stress, and all anyone can do is wait. The real action happens
in the two to three days before the Feb. 9 trade deadline. For now, it's just
wishing the next seven days would go by so whatever happens is done and over
with, and knowing it's going to have to wait a little longer.
這就是我痛恨這週的原因。當面對這麼多無法言述的壓力只會帶來更大的壓力，而所有人
還是只能等待。2月10日交易大限前兩三天才會進行真正的操盤。現在就希望無論發生什麼
變化，接下來的七天都能過去，雖然這時間會有些漫長。
The Blazers are in a very different spot now than they were a year ago. In
February of 2022, they had already made the decision to shut Lillard down for
a core muscle surgery and pivot the rest of that season towards what they
called "player development," which really just meant losing a lot of games to
get a high draft pick. Everyone knew C.J. McCollum was being shopped, along
with other high-priced veterans like Norman Powell and Robert Covington who
weren't going to be part of the long-term plan and didn't click with
first-year head coach Chauncey Billups. The organization was still picking up
the pieces from last winter's investigation and eventual firing of president
of basketball operations Neil Olshey, and it wasn't clear how much authority
Cronin would have to make a major trade as an interim GM still trying to earn
the permanent job.
拓荒者目前的狀況跟一年前大不相同。2022年2月，決定把小李關機進行核心肌肉手術，
並在剩餘賽程開展所謂的"球員發展"計畫，其實就是開坦高順位選秀籤。每個人都清楚
CJ擺在貨架上，包含高價值的老將，像是砲哥及RoCo，他們不被放在球隊的未來藍圖，
且跟第一年的總教練槍西不合。球團也正在處理2021冬天的調查，並開除了前總管奧總，
而剛上任的臨時總管克總也還不清楚有多少權力去處理重大交易，且在努力爭取正式的
總管身分。
One year later, Cronin is fully entrenched as the top decision-maker and has
built out an entire new front-office staff, radically changed the roster and
signed Lillard to a huge extension that all but ensures he'll retire as a
Blazer.
一年後的今天，克總已經確立了最高決策者的身分再組建完畢全新的管理團隊後，同時
徹底地改變了球員名單，並且與小李續了一筆巨大金額的合約，幾乎可以確定小李會在
拓荒者退休。
Now comes the hard part: taking a roster with some things to like but a long,
long way to go to become elite, and reshaping it again into whatever the
contending version of the final years of Lillard's prime will look like.
現在是困難的階段：構建球隊陣容，目前要成為勁旅還有很長很長的路要走，如何在小李
最後的幾年巔峰期去重組名單。
---------------以下是球迷信箱答疑---------------
"Do you think the Blazers' recent play this season will affect Jerami Grant's
willingness to re-sign with Portland this year? And more importantly, if
Grant and his team force Cronin to wait until unrestricted free agency—when
they're competing against Memphis and 'maybe' Los Angeles, will he be worth
paying $120-$160M in salary over 4-5 years? Would that turn the Blazers into,
as Hollinger describes them, "Wizards West?"
「你認為拓荒者近期的表現是否會影響Grant的續約意願?更重要的，要是Grant團隊
迫使克總等到Grant變成非受限自由球員，當拓荒者對決灰熊或洛城雙雄是否值得給他
120-160M/4or5y的合約? 會不會讓拓荒者變成火靈哥描述的那樣"西區巫師隊"?」
I don't think a few bad weeks in January changes anything on either side. The
Blazers didn't trade for Grant to let him walk after one season, and Grant
from what I know is very happy here.
我不認為1月份幾個糟糕的星期會改變雙方任何事情。拓荒者不會讓Grant打一季就離開，
且就我所知，Grant待得很開心
Grant recently told The Athletic that he's unlikely to sign the four-year,
$112 million extension he's eligible for right now, which isn't a surprise.
Why would he lock himself into a number he's outplayed this season when he'll
be able to get more years and more money by waiting six months? It's probably
going to be one of those deals that gets "agreed to" at 12:01 on June 30,
like Anfernee Simons this past summer, because the Blazers and Grant's
representatives will already have a good idea of what makes both sides happy.
So I wouldn't expect any drama there.
Grant最近告知The Athletic他不太可能簽下112M/4Y的續約合約，這其實不令人意外。
他的賽季表現遠大於這個金額的價值，尤其六個月後能獲得更多錢及更多的合約年，
何必現在接受呢? 但很有可能成為自由市場剛開市就談妥的合約之一，像是去年的賽門
一樣，因為拓荒者球團跟Grant團隊已經有共識什麼能讓雙方都開心，所以我不覺得會有
任何的抓馬發生。
I'd expect the deal he ultimately signs to be somewhere in the range of $30
million per year over four or five years, enough above the $28 million annual
salary that would be his max now for him to be able to say he earned a bigger
deal, but not so much more that it kills Portland's cap sheet long-term.
Grant turns 29 in March; even if he's able to get a fifth year by waiting
until the summer to re-sign with Portland, his next contract will take him
through his age-34 season. It's not crazy at all to think he'll still be a
productive player by then, and the final three years of the deal will be
under the much higher salary cap that's expected to come when the league's
new TV deal kicks in in 2025.
我預計Grant會簽下年均30M的四年或五年合約，足以超過他目前的最高年薪28M，他會獲
得更高的薪水，但並不會卡死拓荒者未來薪資空間，即使暑假有利用鳥權簽下五年合約，
綁定他到34歲。認為他到時仍然是一名有貢獻能力的球員也不太瘋狂，甚至最後三年期間
的薪資帽預期會提高很多，因2025年新電視轉播合約開始生效。
You're going to see the number of $233 million thrown around as the max Grant
could sign for this summer, but that's just what he's eligible to get under
league rules. It's not going to be close to that. As we see every summer when
deals get reported in the opening minutes of the free agency period, teams
and players often have handshake agreements already in place. Given the
positive things both sides have said about each other here, I'd be shocked if
that wasn't the case with Grant and the Blazers.
你會看到Grant可能簽下233M的頂薪，那是他有資格根據聯盟CBA所能爭取到的最大金額。
但不會接近這數字的。當簽約消息在自由市場開市後被報導時，球隊與球員通常已經有
握手協議。根據雙方已經商談過的積極意向，如果拓荒者跟Grant分手我會非常驚訝。
(後續跟巫師的戰文內容我略過)
"We gotta trade Hart, right? I mean...we just gotta. We won't let him walk, so
if we don't trade him, we end up signing him, when we don't really want
to...at least that's my guess.
SO - who do you see out there? Who makes sense? Would Hart get us Vanderbilt?
Do the Bucks make sense for Hart? Ingles? SO - do you think we trade him, and
if so, who do you see out there? If you don't think we trade him, do you
think we end up signing him? For how much? Thanks! So happy I subscribed.
I'll certainly be a long term subscriber. Thanks for your work."
「我們會交易Hart，對吧? 我是說，可能必須交易。我們不會讓Hart變空氣，所以假如
我們不交易他，我們即使不想最終也會續約他，這只是我的猜測。
那你有什麼消息嗎?交易誰合理? Hart for Vanderbilt(Jazz)?公鹿對Hart有興趣嗎?
換Ingles? 如果你覺得拓荒者不會交易Hart，那你認為拓荒者會續約嗎?開多少價碼?」
Nothing is done until it's done, but I'll be very surprised if Hart is still
a Blazer at this time next week, for all the reasons you've laid out. Nassir
Little has played well enough to start since coming back from his hip injury
last month, and re-signing Hart for what his market value will be doesn't
make sense financially considering the other money they'll have committed to
starters and how far the roster still has to go to be a contender.
交易完成前什麼也做不了，但要是Hart交易大限之後還留在拓荒者，我會非常驚訝，
因為你已經把原因說出來了。Little從臀部傷勢回歸後，表現已經足夠好，且重簽Hart
的市場合理價格對於薪資空間的利用沒有道理，這是因為考量到會給其他先發球員更多
的薪資，且必須把拓荒者的球員名單打造成勁旅。
I don't like to get too deep into hypothetical trade targets because I
actually talk to the people involved here, so I'm wary of what I say I think
they could get for Hart being misconstrued as reporting that they've actually
had those talks, but I will say that Hart easily has the most value of anyone
on the roster likely to be moved. He checks all the boxes of being on a good
contract and being a valuable and versatile enough player that every team in
the league would want him, to where Portland could get something of value for
him. That's why I think he's just about certain to be moved.
我不喜歡太過深入的探討交易目標，因為我實際跟拓荒者相關人員聊過，所以我必須
謹慎得把持能透漏的內容，否則很可能讓Hart被誤解報導出來已經有商談交易事宜，
但我可以很肯定Hart是可動名單內最有價值的球員。Hart符合所有條件，良好合約，
有價值且多功能性的球員，聯盟內幾乎所有球隊都會需要他，以至於拓荒者可以取得
不錯的資產回報。這就是我認為Hart幾乎是一定會被交易出去的理由。
"There's been lots of talk of Hart, Nurk & Winslow being available on the
trade market.
But I'm wondering, of all the other guys not discussed as much, who do you
think is the one most likely to be traded that might be a surprise to the
fanbase? Watford? GP2? Nas? We've heard Dame and Ant are untouchable, Grant
and Shaedon also but little else.
Interested to hear your thoughts."
「近期有很多關於Hart、Nurkic和Winslow的乳摸。但我想知道是否有其他沒有太多討論
的球員中，有你認為最有可能被交易的球員，並會讓球迷震驚的? Watford? GP2?
Little?
因為我們已經了解小李、賽門是不動產，也包含Sharpe跟Grant，除了他們都有可能。
想聽聽看你的看法。」
The three you named at the top—Hart, Nurkic and Winslow—are the most likely
to be gone in a week, and I'd add Keon Johnson to that list, too. Not because
the organization doesn't like him—they do—but there just aren't minutes for
him in the rotation with so many other guards. He's also a former first-round
pick in just his second year in the league, meaning he has two more years
after this one on a cheap rookie contract, and has had nice moments when he's
gotten on the floor, so other teams might look at him as someone with upside
they could take a flier on.
這三位你提到的球員『Hart、Nurkic、Winslow』確實是最有可能在一週後離開的球員，
且我還會加上Keon Johnson到這個名單內，不是因為拓荒者不喜歡Keon，正因為喜歡，
但目前球隊有太多的後衛，導致Keon沒辦法獲得上場時間。他是首輪新秀且才打第二年，
且還有兩年的便宜新秀合約，場上有很不錯的高光表現，所以其他隊伍有可能評估他還有
上升空間，並願意賭他的潛力
I would also push back on there being that many "untouchable" players on the
roster. I don't think anyone not named Damian Lillard is flat-out off limits
in any kind of trade talks. The three you named, Simons, Grant and Sharpe,
are not being shopped and are extremely unlikely to be moved, but I don't
think they'd be non-starters in a truly franchise-altering deal, whatever
that may be. The previous general manager refused to even listen to any trade
offers involving C.J. McCollum for years; I don't get the sense that Cronin
has that same non-negotiable stance on anyone outside of Lillard.
其實我對球團有這麼多的"不動產"球員持相反意見，我認為除了小李之外的其他人都有
商談交易的空間，Simons、Grant和Sharpe確實沒有放上貨架，也不太可能會被交易，
但如果有能讓球隊質變的交易商談，他們會是受歡迎的人選，不管那可能是什麼提案。
多年來，前總管一直拒絕聽取任何關於CJ的報價，但我不認為克總對任何球員會有一樣的
態度，除了小李。
Will we ever see Ibou Badji minutes this year even in garbage time? I'd like
to see him out there fouling Embiid and Rudy Gobert personally. Also do you
know how long he has been playing basketball and does he speak much English
or does he have an interpreter with him?
這賽季我們還能在垃圾時間看到Ibou Badji上場嗎?我很想看他對鉛筆跟狗貝犯規。另外
想請問你知道他打籃球多久了嗎? 還有他會說英文嗎? 或是他隨身有跟一位翻譯嗎?
I wouldn't bet on seeing him anytime soon. Both of the Blazers' two-way
players—Badji and John Butler, Jr.—are viewed by the front office and
coaching staff at this point as long-term developmental projects who aren't
close to being ready to contribute yet. I asked Billups about them a couple
of months ago and he gave the impression that Butler is further along in his
development than Badji is, but neither of them are to the point yet where
they're ready to play real minutes.
我敢說不太可能會很快見到他。目前管理層及教練團隊把拓荒者兩名雙向球員Badji&
John Butler Jr.當作長期的發展專案來養成，他們倆位還沒辦法上場貢獻。幾個月前
槍西的答覆是說Butler目前的狀態比Badji來得更有進步，並且都還沒NBA Ready。
The previous guy who filled the second two-way spot, Olivier Sarr, looked
good in training camp and seemed like he was going to get actual minutes
before suffering a wrist injury that ended his Blazers tenure before it
really started. His situation was a little different because he actually had
NBA experience last season with Oklahoma City, so he was more ready to play
than either Badji or Butler are. But they decided to go the other way after
waiving Sarr, in terms of taking a home-run swing on long-term upside.
前雙向球員Olivier Sarr，訓練營表現良好，他也應該會得到上場機會，但因為手腕的
傷勢不得不結束他拓荒者球員的身分。Sarr的情況比較不同，因為他上季有在雷霆隊
打過球，所以他比Badji跟Butler都更有即戰力。但裁掉Sarr後，球團及教練組決定利用
雙向進行長期養成計畫，以求到時候會有更高的回報。
One of the helpful things to me as a reporter about the Blazers' hiring of
Mike Schmitz in the front office is that in a lot of cases, there's a public
record of what the assistant general manager of the team I cover thinks about
most prospects out there. Here's a pretty extensive scouting report on Badji
that Schmitz wrote in December of 2020, when he was still working as a draft
analyst for ESPN. He compared him to a JaVale McGee/Mitchell Robinson/Hassan
Whiteside-type of shot-blocking, rim-running center.
拓荒者新助理總管Mike Schmitz，對我這名記者很有幫助的地方就是他對大多數的新秀
都有相對應的球探報告，並公開紀錄在ESPN。當時Schmitz還在ESPN擔任選秀分析師，
他在2020年12月時有寫下一份關於Badji的球探報告(https://reurl.cc/WqedY5)。
Badji的模板是 JaVale Mcgee/Mitchell Robinson/Hassan Witeside，負責火鍋及吃餅
的中鋒類型。
Badji's personal story is one I haven't dug much into yet but plan on doing
so after the trade-deadline content machine calms down a little bit. His
background is pretty interesting from what little I know of it. He's the
first player from the relatively new NBA Africa Academy pipeline to sign an
NBA contract. (To your language question: while English is not his native
language, he does speak it.)
我目前還沒深入挖掘Badji的個人故事，但我計畫在交易大限結束後在進行了解。就我
現在所知道的小細節，他的背景非常有趣。他是一所新興的NBA非洲籃球學院的學生，
必且還是第一位簽下NBA合約的球員。
(關於語言的問題:雖然英文不是他的母語，但他是會說的。)
Last month when I was at the G League Winter Showcase in Las Vegas, I spoke
to Chaisson Allen, the head coach of the Wisconsin Herd, where he spent
training camp before catching on with the Blazers, and got a little insight
into him there. I want to do more on him later in the season. Stay tuned.
上月份G-League在拉斯維加斯有冬季表演賽，當時我有跟Wisconsin Herd的總教練
Chaisson Allen聊過Badji，在他被拓荒者簽下前，在這位教練執教下打過球，並對
Badji有一定程度的了解。我會在賽季末期間再對Badji做更多的介紹。敬請期待。
Thanks for all you do covering the team, it’s been amazing to see your
journey and always love your work. Have you heard any updates about Jody
selling the team? It feels like until new ownership is in place there is a
ceiling on what Joe can do to improve the team. If you’re ever in Japan let
me know so I can buy you lunch.
關注你真的太棒了，而且我也很喜歡你的報導，感謝你對拓荒者球團做的採訪。請問你有
關於Jody準備賣球隊的任何新消息嗎? 感覺在換新老闆之前，Jody對球團的幫助有限。
Things are still in a holding pattern there, as far as I've heard. As I wrote
in December, the Suns' recent sale at a $4 billion valuation will bump the
Blazers' price up significantly from Phil Knight's reported $2 billion offer
last June. It will take at least $3 billion to get any deal done now, with
Uncle Phil or any other buyer. The situation is still the same as I
understand it: the NBA would like for a sale to happen soon, while the
Vulcans would like to hang on until the league's new television deal hits in
2025. We'll see what happens.
據我所知這件事正處於停滯狀態。正如同我12月份寫的報導(https://reurl.cc/587qbM)
近期太陽隊以40億美金出售，這遠超過Phil Knight團隊去年6月提出的20億美金報價。
目前不論是Phil Knight或其他買家都最少需要30億美金來進行商談。NBA官方希望盡快
出售，但Vulcans希望拖到2025年新電視轉播合約開跑後再處理。我們就靜觀其變吧。
Vulcan Inc.:Paul Allen和Jody Allen在1986合夥開的公司，目前負責的項目包含拓荒者
資金來源，"Paul G. Allen Trust"(目前董事長是Jody)
PS.如果內容有誤，板友隨時指正，感謝
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→ foolishbi: 看起來小李退休前 拓荒者很有可能會換老闆 02/07 16:23
推 Ansel: 外電：OG交易案裡 暴龍比較想要年輕球員而不是選秀 02/07 16:43
→ foolishbi: 暴龍想要搶賽門吧，一臉想先用FVV薛別隊籤 02/07 16:54
推 Ansel: 純討論：賽門+雜魚就換得到的話我會換 正好Sharpe拉上來養 02/07 17:06
→ foolishbi: 我理解是這樣出賽門就要談Siakam，OG不夠，因為我們會 02/07 17:15
→ foolishbi: 少人持球，必須Siakam才能補上這塊 02/07 17:15
推 therealntu: Dame+Siakam+Grant 幾冠 02/07 17:35
→ therealntu: 能換當然賭賭看 陣容也高很多 02/07 17:35
→ therealntu: 先發能擺上小李/gp2/Grant/Siakam/歐銀 02/07 17:36
推 youtoo: 這可能會造成一些人不舒服，但我覺得要有大改變，賽門會比 02/07 17:37
→ youtoo: Hart 更有吸引力跟可以換取更有影響力的球星(例如 f 大提 02/07 17:37
→ youtoo: 的 Siakam ) 如果要圍繞最後的小李拼一波，連 CJM 都可以 02/07 17:37
→ youtoo: 交易了，如果有機會為何不？重點是:Hart 贏慢 Keon 小小甚 02/07 17:37
→ youtoo: 至Nurk 可以換到頂級且幫我們衝擊冠軍的球員嗎？當然我覺 02/07 17:37
→ youtoo: 得事實上機會不大，慣性上小修小換還是比較有可能 02/07 17:37
推 therealntu: 就看要不要賭一波 陪老李衝一次 02/07 17:38
→ therealntu: 失敗也就算了 又不是沒坦過 02/07 17:39
→ foolishbi: 就像應該是到期的6.5M交易特例，你球隊打成這樣, 根本 02/07 17:41
→ foolishbi: 不可能直接使用過稅線，要求Jody 繳稅 02/07 17:41
推 lovesinker: 自信點，我們就是西區巫師隊無誤XD 02/07 17:45
→ foolishbi: Nurk是該交易，槍西用不了他，這季低點處理不了，就暑 02/07 17:46
→ foolishbi: 假處理，季中我還是猜只有Hart 必走，隊伍記者其實說得 02/07 17:46
→ foolishbi: 滿白話了 02/07 17:46
→ foolishbi: XDD 巫師鋒線感覺還是比我們好 02/07 17:47
推 isaiah2727: 有看到討論交易暴龍Siakam+OG 這會是要多大包 02/07 20:26
→ isaiah2727: Simons+Sharpe+Barnes建隊好像也蠻有吸引力 02/07 20:34
推 Ansel: 如果西卡 OG一起打包 不如把小李送出去算了 賽門+Sharpe+ 02/07 20:59
→ Ansel: 西卡+Grant+OG 蒿吐露絲 02/07 20:59
推 kamasawa: 是不是都沒算到教練的問題R…. 02/07 23:04
推 isaiah2727: 這季結束前基本不用想換教練了 02/07 23:30
推 wegblon: 哎 看到今天一堆空檔 命中率這樣 覺得很難讓人期待 02/07 23:31
→ hcl00: 上面那組 其實滿弱的 沒人能組織 02/07 23:44
→ hcl00: 暴龍滿滿鋒線海 戰績起不來 就是缺穩定組織和內線 02/07 23:44
推 reaper317: OG超痛不推 而且坦白講真的沒多強 02/08 00:54
推 isaiah2727: 提升點高度也好 今天看GP2換防籃下扛大羅滿心酸的 02/08 01:17
推 impossible: 不要拖到最後....為了交易而交易，賤價亂交易. 搞得 02/08 09:16
→ impossible: 不上不下. 02/08 09:16
推 youtoo: 怎麼查都是我們在搶 OG ，但是我覺得價格如果拱太高爵士那 02/08 09:22
→ youtoo: 隻還比較好，至少不會被漫天喊價 02/08 09:22
推 reaper317: 我也覺得搶Vanderbilt就好 OG一定會要一堆籤 02/08 09:35
推 loveless01: 出賽門換og 其實覺的行。讓夏普更快練出來。 02/08 10:01
推 CHUNGHUA: Sharpe似乎是不參加灌籃大賽了 02/08 10:19
推 youtoo: 其實說實話也就是季前簽GP2 的問題延續到現在：我喜歡這個 02/08 10:19
→ youtoo: 球員我也覺得這個價位合理，但是阿拓缺的問題沒有解決讓塞 02/08 10:19
→ youtoo: 車的位置更塞，現在還不是要去交易補洞 02/08 10:19
推 LillardTime: Vanderbilt更好 OG的身價有一部分是炒出來的 整體實 02/08 10:20
→ LillardTime: 力不一定比前者強 02/08 10:20
推 youtoo: Vanderbilt好的地方是看到的消息出價都不高，還可以保留資 02/08 10:25
→ youtoo: 產找其他人；還是Vanderbilt跟OG 一起來好了，側翼長人一 02/08 10:25
→ youtoo: 次補(但如果 Keon 去爵士...看NBA 三十年從老史後就沒跟過 02/08 10:25
→ youtoo: 爵士了 orz) 02/08 10:25
推 hcl00: OG是痛啦 實力還是有的 02/08 10:33
→ hcl00: JV能力輸他不少 尤其是進攻 02/08 10:33
推 reaper317: 進攻的確是 但防守未必 而且V更高又便宜很多 02/08 10:51
推 ThisIsNotKFC: OG很好，但是他來絕對會卡到Grant，相對之下JV比較 02/08 11:04
→ ThisIsNotKFC: 適合我們，不吃球權的3D，只是3分有點骰 02/08 11:05
推 qoomilk: OG等級出賽門換是要秀下限到多低蠢？ 02/08 11:07
→ loveless01: 賽門管理層承諾首發。不換走雙槍場上永遠是被打點。cj 02/08 11:10
→ loveless01: 不就證明過了 02/08 11:10
→ loveless01: 而且現代籃球有3有D 的鋒線可比後衛值錢多了 02/08 11:12
推 qoomilk: 舊雙槍防守是洞此版某些人很開心看了十年啊 02/08 11:12
→ qoomilk: 新雙槍是洞沒錯，一個只會越來越沒力，一個還有得救 02/08 11:12
→ qoomilk: 無論是體能還是身材，更何況幾年後回到一號有多洞？ 02/08 11:13
→ qoomilk: meta要3還D，鋒線貴都沒錯，但賽門換就是蠢 02/08 11:15
→ qoomilk: 更何況還有一隻CP值更高的小小 02/08 11:16
推 loveless01: 妳要他打1號，他的陣地戰組織練出來了嗎 02/08 11:16
→ loveless01: 不如養天賦更棒的夏普接班小李 02/08 11:16
→ loveless01: 小小太痛了… 02/08 11:17
→ qoomilk: 所以sharpe打一號？ 02/08 11:17
→ qoomilk: OG就不痛？ 02/08 11:18
→ qoomilk: 去年沒小李，賽門打一號哪裡不行 02/08 11:18
→ loveless01: 有控場的pg比持球鋒線搖擺人好找吧 02/08 11:19
→ loveless01: Og 跟小小都痛。但兩個放場上差距這麼大.. 02/08 11:19
→ qoomilk: OG持球鋒線？？？？？？ 02/08 11:20
→ loveless01: 夏普往持球鋒衛搖擺人練 02/08 11:20
→ qoomilk: 去看per36看有沒有這麼大 02/08 11:20
→ loveless01: 妳不是要討論未來性 02/08 11:21
→ qoomilk: 那跟賽門守一號哪裡衝突？ 02/08 11:21
→ loveless01: 球只有ㄧ顆呀 02/08 11:21
→ loveless01: 沒球權怎練的出 02/08 11:22
→ qoomilk: 賽門現在場均22分是沒小李grant的狀態嗎.... 02/08 11:23
→ qoomilk: sharpe依照我拓時間軸，CJ跟賽門都第三四年才有出來 02/08 11:23
→ qoomilk: 我就直說啦，一堆只會喊槍西沒戰術的 02/08 11:24
→ loveless01: Cj 那時也是馬修斯卡在前面上不了位。 02/08 11:24
→ qoomilk: 一直有在讓sharpe或者Hart在中間三分弧頂當戰術發動 02/08 11:25
→ qoomilk: 但每每第四節就陷入單打，為什麼會這樣自己想啦 02/08 11:25
→ loveless01: 馬修斯受傷上場時。可是打的ok 02/08 11:25
→ qoomilk: 所以CJ沒打出來嗎？新球迷？ 02/08 11:25
→ loveless01: 妳給足球權跟時間。cj 可不用3.4年 02/08 11:26
推 qoomilk: 你先想想你的邏輯 02/08 11:27
→ qoomilk: 你說雙槍是洞 為了未來所以要擺賽門交易出去給sharpe球權 02/08 11:28
→ qoomilk: sharpe立刻會有22分貢獻？然後現在還有小李跟Grant搶球權 02/08 11:29
→ qoomilk: 甚至還有OG搶球 02/08 11:30
→ loveless01: 那妳怎不想妳的邏輯。我說夏普是未來。妳說要他立刻補 02/08 11:30
→ loveless01: 上22分的火力？？ 02/08 11:30
→ qoomilk: 然後OG跟小小玻璃，所以小李sharpe跟Grant陣容比現在好？ 02/08 11:31
→ qoomilk: 然後未來還只剩一隻不知道有沒有練起來的sharpe？ 02/08 11:31
→ qoomilk: sharpe是未來所以要交易掉更是未來的賽門？ 02/08 11:32
→ qoomilk: sharpe是打出LBJ還是KD的等級了嗎 02/08 11:32
→ loveless01: 妳覺的賽門目前有到建隊基石的未來？ 02/08 11:33
推 qoomilk: 你覺得sharpe比賽門更像基石？ 02/08 11:35
→ loveless01: Sharp是睹。上限還真有kd、喬治可能。小城市能不賭嗎 02/08 11:36
→ qoomilk: sharpe明年換約？ 02/08 11:36
→ qoomilk: 我換個說法好了 02/08 11:37
→ loveless01: 你的邏輯不是在問誰更有未來基石象。未來的kd 。跟未 02/08 11:38
→ loveless01: 來的ki你會選誰 02/08 11:38
→ qoomilk: 現在槍西沒給他上到36分鐘 你覺得是槍西冰他嗎？ 02/08 11:38
→ qoomilk: sharpe絕對未來沒有KD的一半不用偷換概念 02/08 11:38
→ qoomilk: 像PG你也等抽高6-9再來討論 02/08 11:39
→ qoomilk: 就跟你說第一年而已 02/08 11:40
→ loveless01: 我們討輪未來。你ㄧ直在講現在。也是醉了 02/08 11:41
→ qoomilk: 未來就是至少四年後聽不懂嗎 02/08 11:41
→ qoomilk: 四年後你什麼都不做賽門合約也到了 02/08 11:42
→ qoomilk: 到底關現在屁事 02/08 11:42
→ loveless01: 現在的我們是換個人就能奪冠熱門嗎？ 02/08 11:43
推 qoomilk: 那你換賽門成OG就是熱門？ 02/08 11:44
→ loveless01: 賽門現在價高呀，而且也沒說單換 02/08 11:45
→ qoomilk: 到底是誰拿未來換離冠軍更遠的 02/08 11:45
→ qoomilk: 你先想好你要的邏輯吧，你要未來還是冠軍 02/08 11:45
推 impossible: 不建議拿賽門出去換。真要換，再等賽門一年，可以換 02/08 11:50
→ impossible: 更好的回來... 02/08 11:50
推 impossible: 今年就看看Hart+Keon+一些綠葉能不能化零為整換個大 02/08 11:51
→ impossible: 魚 02/08 11:51
推 impossible: 如果可以，Nurkic順便包出去也行。 但依照我們談判 02/08 11:54
→ impossible: 能力，只有等著被搶的份。 02/08 11:54
推 qoomilk: 賽門不是不能動，而是動了要補搶冠軍有機率的距離 02/08 11:54
推 qoomilk: 這距離為什麼這麼遠我不說 補強為什麼這麼難我也不說 02/08 11:57
推 qoomilk: 剛剛說到一半 sharpe槍西不是沒給練 是第一年NBA層級他能 02/08 12:01
→ qoomilk: 做就這樣 真的給滿36分鐘不一定是幫他 02/08 12:01
推 impossible: qoo不說真的是客氣了，您的答案始終如一，小李拿太多 02/08 12:02
推 reaper317: 我是不知道NBA有DVPE以來有哪個符合資格的球星沒被續約 02/08 12:06
→ reaper317: 或被交易的?好像只有AD 因為他自己想走 任何一隊的GM 02/08 12:07
→ reaper317: 都不會做這種蠢事 沒頂薪下去別人會覺得你是低能兒 02/08 12:07
推 isaiah2727: 有人說Simons單換OG？ 出Simons是要換Siakam吧 02/08 12:10
推 qoomilk: 當然是拿來交易啊，為什麼要變空氣 02/08 12:10
→ qoomilk: 你可以回去看誰說賽門換OG的 02/08 12:11
推 therealntu: 最近小李打的好 qoo直接當啞巴 02/08 12:12
→ loveless01: 有說單換嗎？？ 02/08 12:12
推 qoomilk: 單換是重點嗎？主菜就是爛 02/08 12:15
→ qoomilk: 要未來更爛，要冠軍也爛 02/08 12:16
推 youtoo: 欸不是，他就是來發瘋的，你們還真的理他咧，這就是我喜 02/08 12:34
→ youtoo: 歡阿拓的地方，真有人情味。 02/08 12:34
→ loveless01: 對不起。跟瘋子認真了。我簡討 02/08 12:44
推 isaiah2727: 他看拓很久了啦 講的有些是合理但很多是找人戰 自己要 02/08 12:46
→ isaiah2727: 會分辨哪些是瞎扯淡XD 02/08 12:46
→ isaiah2727: 現在有建設性版本好像還要付費解鎖了好像 02/08 12:47
噓 qoomilk: 以上哪句不合理，這就說喜歡拓版看低端推文的原因 02/08 12:52
→ qoomilk: 尤其最近好多新球迷真棒 02/08 12:52
→ loveless01: 我印象他Agg 時代，他好像就嘴過小李了（？） 02/08 12:53
推 qoomilk: 沒差啊，反正大家這十年看內容賭爛 想補強又沒辦法，還有 02/08 12:56
→ qoomilk: 更賭爛的四年再等大家 歡迎新球迷上車 02/08 12:56
推 impossible: 其實我也對小李失去耐心了，但蔽帚自珍，繼續盲目支 02/08 13:02
→ impossible: 持我拓的球員... 02/08 13:02
推 loveless01: 這幾年看Ts 執教。至少比看西瓜操爆roy 、odenㄧ眾天 02/08 13:12
→ loveless01: 賦還開心點 02/08 13:12
推 therealntu: 還在等他給出交易小李的對應包是什麼xD 02/08 13:12
→ loveless01: 浪費普總選的ㄧ付好牌跟神交易 02/08 13:13
推 qoomilk: 等你賄款啊低端仔 02/08 13:22
推 jelitec: 幾年後Sharpe打出來 乃哥是不是又要當啞巴？ 02/08 13:23
推 qoomilk: 打出來對我拓好有什麼問題？ 02/08 13:25
推 therealntu: 字先打好啊老哥 文盲？ 02/08 13:26
→ qoomilk: 低端仔就是低端仔 到現在還看不懂 02/08 13:27
推 therealntu: 你說看不懂你的錯字嗎XDD 02/08 13:27
→ qoomilk: 指je 02/08 13:28
→ qoomilk: 你說的完全沒在意沒有討論的價值 02/08 13:29
→ qoomilk: 畢竟都看得懂意思在喇賽而已 02/08 13:29
推 therealntu: 講得好像你說的有討論價值xD 02/08 13:30
→ qoomilk: 長大了你就看得懂了小朋友 02/08 13:30
→ therealntu: 有價值就不會在這邊跟我打嘴砲啦 02/08 13:30
→ therealntu: 人才何必屈就於區區拓版呢 02/08 13:31
→ qoomilk: 我也好奇，怎麼拓版這麼多人不去創小李版 02/08 13:31
→ qoomilk: 這是隊版不是單一球員版 02/08 13:31
→ therealntu: 你也可以去創李黑版啊 02/08 13:32
→ qoomilk: 總版很多你可以去跟他們說 02/08 13:33
→ qoomilk: 反正你也很愛在那跟他們戰，下次遇到記得說 02/08 13:33
推 therealntu: 你去創版 我幫你找人連署如何XDD 02/08 13:34
→ qoomilk: 我是沒興趣啦 但依你屁的程度可能兩三年後你就是創版那個 02/08 13:35
推 therealntu: 高端仔倚老賣老但卻沒啥智商真可憐 02/08 13:36
→ qoomilk: 畢竟為了小李就可以酸賽門等人到毫無理由也是不容易 02/08 13:37
→ qoomilk: 愛越久越容易生恨麻 02/08 13:37
推 therealntu: 某人為了黑小李也無所不用其極啊XDD 02/08 13:38
→ therealntu: 要找解決辦法還要付費欸XDD 02/08 13:38
→ qoomilk: 我沒黑唷不用扣帽，我賭爛一直是不夠強防守破卡薪資 02/08 13:39
→ therealntu: 我也沒酸賽門啊 只是說出實情而已 彼此彼此 02/08 13:40
→ qoomilk: 領多少錢做什麼事 這樣不叫黑我笑了 02/08 13:40
→ qoomilk: 你可以去酸底薪那個，他應該更多缺點可以講 02/08 13:41
推 therealntu: 但你還是找不到比他更好的第二人選不是嗎xD 02/08 13:43
推 qoomilk: 匯款謝謝 02/08 13:45
推 reaper317: 卡薪資是假議題 符合DVPE的球員沒有一隊不給頂薪的 02/08 14:22
→ reaper317: 聯盟25支以上的球隊都有頂薪球員 跟別隊頂薪球員比起 02/08 14:24
→ reaper317: 來小李的表現完全對得起他的薪水 02/08 14:24
→ reaper317: 這種等級的球員在哪隊都是領好領滿 02/08 14:26
推 lovesinker: 他的建設性方案就是把他口中極度溢價的小李合約拆給 02/08 14:35
→ lovesinker: 兩個球星，剛好補兩個洞奪冠，這種幻想自己有別隊GM裸 02/08 14:35
→ lovesinker: 照的垃圾提案還想要收錢？ 02/08 14:35
推 reaper317: 真的不用跟曾經說過圍巾西門可以單換小李的人認真 02/08 14:45
推 impossible: 情感上，小李是不能換出去的神主牌....誰都不行，沒 02/08 14:57
→ impossible: 奪冠也沒差。就像郵差Malone與爵士，離開爵士的Malone 02/08 14:57
→ impossible: 完全不對味 02/08 14:57
→ hcl00: qoo這樣吵了有沒有十年啊 也是滿佩服他的 02/08 14:58
推 joystation: Qoo說夏普的上限我也算認同，我覺得可能就Lavine,不 02/08 15:00
→ joystation: 太可能到PG更不用提KD 02/08 15:00
→ joystation: 現在交易賽門就是All in頂多到下賽季結束，若沒冠軍 02/08 15:04
→ joystation: 必定拆夥，球隊可能也會認真考慮交易Lillard 02/08 15:04
→ joystation: 現在球隊就是以Lillard 為核心建隊，討論交易賽門也 02/08 15:07
→ joystation: 很正常吧 02/08 15:07
→ joystation: 但我自己傾向不要交易賽門 02/08 15:08
推 qoomilk: 拜託就算現在圍巾西門+簽要換小李我都願意快換 02/08 15:12
→ qoomilk: 開好開滿，那你怎麼現在在笑這些西門等人呢？ 02/08 15:13
→ qoomilk: 你不趁低點買，然後高點再來靠腰換不到 02/08 15:14
→ qoomilk: 阿說要裸照不然換不到不就自己打臉自己小李價值不夠 02/08 15:14
推 qoomilk: 賽門不是不能動啊 但沒奪冠機會的交易何必 例如OG 02/08 15:40
推 joystation: 交易賽門只拿到OG確實有點被暴龍盤的感覺 02/08 15:50
推 qoomilk: 不是，就算暴龍貼你三隻首輪 winnow要幹嘛 02/08 16:14
推 and1018: @q神" 你覺得sharpe比賽門更像基石？" 02/08 17:06
→ and1018: 是的沒錯 Sharpe比Simons像基石一百倍 02/08 17:06
→ and1018: 是否私訊帳號給我 我立刻匯款 你什麼時候可以在版 02/08 17:06
→ and1018: 上回文 把你的 02/08 17:06
→ and1018: 規劃跟大家分享 02/08 17:06
推 qoomilk: 可以 願意sharpe打我臉 02/08 17:10
→ qoomilk: 沒問題 私我信箱 但請勿在版透露 想看的一個一個匯 02/08 17:11
推 and1018: 內容不敢公開是嗎？ 02/08 17:12
→ qoomilk: 我可以賺10個為什麼要賺一個 02/08 17:13
推 and1018: 帳號給我 我立刻匯三千給你 一個禮拜內版上回文 02/08 17:15
→ and1018: 超過10個版友贊同我再匯三千給你 02/08 17:15
→ and1018: 超過10版友反對你把三千捐給嘉義若竹兒 02/08 17:15
→ and1018: 各超過10個 打平 02/08 17:15
→ and1018: 可嗎？ 02/08 17:15
推 qoomilk: 你直接匯30000我公開 02/08 17:16
→ qoomilk: 我在此李版當我白癡？ 02/08 17:16
推 and1018: 你沒賠吧？敢發文不敢接受評論？ 02/08 17:17
→ qoomilk: 我說好啊 我賺十個我公開啊 02/08 17:18
→ and1018: 版上又不是沒人不可接受Lillard 被交易 你說的好一 02/08 17:18
→ and1018: 樣有人贊同你 02/08 17:18
→ and1018: 不是嗎？ 02/08 17:18
→ and1018: 還要10個人匯款？詐騙？ 02/08 17:19
推 kamasawa: 這種討論是不用意氣用事，贏了又如何？球團也不會按照你 02/08 17:19
→ kamasawa: 的意見行事。討論打打嘴炮就好，規劃再好又如何？寄給球 02/08 17:19
→ kamasawa: 團？還是直接Twitter 小李？ 02/08 17:19
→ and1018: 你就直接承認你要錢就好了 不用包裝成還要發文的樣 02/08 17:20
→ and1018: 子 02/08 17:20
推 qoomilk: 不是十個人，你一個人30000就公開 02/08 17:21
→ qoomilk: 別假了啦 拿到阿福我好爽爽在哪？ 02/08 17:22
→ qoomilk: 後來事實證明如此 阿當下情況是如何？ 02/08 17:23
→ qoomilk: 你想看3000拿去看騙你在哪 02/08 17:24
推 and1018: 你漲價了吧 當初說好3000 坐地起價？ 02/08 17:26
推 qoomilk: 3000給你看30000給你公開 02/08 17:27
→ qoomilk: 到底有什麼問題 02/08 17:28
→ foolishbi: 好囉~反正再一天就知道交易長怎樣 02/08 22:47
→ foolishbi: 動賽門只能換到OG絕對會是克總大恥辱之一 02/08 22:50
→ foolishbi: 動小李也不用爭，這季季中不可能，可最快季末 02/08 22:51
→ foolishbi: 可能我翻譯的太委婉大家沒注意原文 02/08 22:53
→ foolishbi: how far the roster still has to go to be a contende 02/08 22:54
→ foolishbi: r 02/08 22:54
→ foolishbi: 隊伍記者也認為目前離爭冠強度還遠的很 02/08 22:55
→ foolishbi: 反正季中賣Hart絕對不會是最後的動作 02/08 22:57
→ foolishbi: 記者說除了小李，Grant Simons Sharpe克總都能賣 02/08 22:57
→ foolishbi: 到時候2025換新老闆，小李我覺得也可能賣 02/08 22:58
→ foolishbi: 留著小李，2025賣球隊的價格才會比較高 02/08 22:59
推 BrandonRoy: 討厭小李喜歡小李 都無所謂 交易也是高層決定 02/08 23:03
→ BrandonRoy: 而我們最多就是在這邊熱烈的討論 有些人講話較不好聽 02/08 23:04
→ BrandonRoy: 那就別看吧 略過 02/08 23:05
推 Ansel: 沒錯 擺明找架吵的推文直接略過就好了 在這邊爭個你死我活 02/08 23:26
→ Ansel: 誰該留誰該交易換誰比較好 最後還不是要看克總臉色XD 02/08 23:26
推 isaiah2727: 目標是全明星等級的Siakam還有點興趣 OG就算了吧 02/08 23:44
→ otblue: 爵士JV被唬人攔胡！ 02/09 09:18
推 lovesinker: 唬人用龜龜搶劫別隊…. 02/09 09:20
推 jelitec: JV被端走啦。。。。 02/09 09:21
→ foolishbi: Vanderbilt沒戲了XDDDD 我看拓迷在無奈中 02/09 09:21
推 youtoo: Vanderbilt沒了，但是有人開第一槍，應該接下來會比較明朗 02/09 09:24
→ youtoo: 化 02/09 09:24
推 lovesinker: 湖人直接補控球和鋒線，我們怎麼沒這種命 02/09 09:26
推 youtoo: 早上刷完，大概就新出我們在談太陽J尻，贏慢+Keon+ 東西或 02/09 09:28
→ youtoo: 是出到 Hart 這樣，但是幾天下來也覺得應該就問問 02/09 09:28
→ foolishbi: 照乳摸來看，我們應該會找魔術談談了 02/09 09:28
→ loveless01: 灰狼總管真是大善人。水拉就換到三隻2輪簽 02/09 09:31
推 therealntu: 來個堪用鋒線+替補控衛吧 02/09 09:32
推 youtoo: 阿就賭了狗貝發現沒人會打擋拆，只好在去換會打擋拆的康利 02/09 09:43
→ youtoo: ，大概就是一個為了拯救上個決定的決定吧 02/09 09:43
→ foolishbi: 灰狼丟光首輪 完成的陣容 要看狗貝康利發揮了 02/09 09:53
推 lovesinker: J尻現在又老又殘 談他幹嘛… 02/09 10:09
推 CHUNGHUA: 尼克對Hart有興趣，換的到Obi Toppin嗎？ 02/09 10:12
→ foolishbi: 尼克的乳摸就是Toppin+Reddiah 02/09 10:15
→ hcl00: Toppin除了跳跳人 對他沒什麼印象了 02/09 10:17
推 lovesinker: 我們的確很喜歡收集跳跳人然後練成三分射手 02/09 10:24
推 joystation: Reddish體能也不差，但他們兩個完成度很低 02/09 10:52
→ joystation: Reddish 除了身材高，其他能力還不如同梯的Little 02/09 10:53
→ foolishbi: 隊伍記者爆料了 Hart 在跟隊友擁抱 02/09 10:55
→ foolishbi: 並且離開球場了 02/09 10:55
推 therealntu: 別跟尼克換這包啊… 02/09 10:58
推 qoomilk: 降級可憐 02/09 10:59
→ One102bird: QQ…. 02/09 11:01
推 andy00xx: 留不住吧 只能換資產 02/09 11:02
推 joystation: 唉很喜歡Hart 說 02/09 11:02
推 loveless01: 學友走了Q 02/09 11:04
推 therealntu: Reddish有啥用啊… 02/09 11:05
推 freedom1023: 唉剛剛還看到拓ig hart在練投 02/09 11:06
推 One102bird: 保護首輪加Reddish 02/09 11:06
推 joystation: 這包好爛 02/09 11:06
→ joystation: Hart只有這價？ 02/09 11:07
→ loveless01: Reddish還有刮的空間嗎？看尺寸好像3號還行 02/09 11:10
推 qoomilk: 有首輪就有後續就不太一樣了 02/09 11:13
推 One102bird: 有機會拼一下OG嗎 02/09 11:15
→ lovesinker: 沒有盤子要給我拓搶劫啊 02/09 11:16
→ loveless01: Og開價目前是三首輪.. 02/09 11:18
推 hcl00: Reddish就空有機體 02/09 11:18
推 impossible: 65分的交易....不能更多了 02/09 11:19
→ hcl00: 就半季Hart換保護首輪一張 02/09 11:19
推 isaiah2727: 這筆操作沒後續很詭異啊 不是說不坦 02/09 11:21
→ foolishbi: OG有消息是說願意降價了 02/09 11:22
推 jelitec: 可憐 完全沒幫助的交易..... 02/09 11:23
推 kamasawa: 首輪很珍貴阿…以阿拓來說… 02/09 11:26
推 andy00xx: Little更值得練 紅盤就擺在板凳當骰子 02/09 11:27
推 kamasawa: 那為什麼今天還是GP2上 XD 02/09 11:28
推 isaiah2727: 想要看Siakam跟Dame Grant搭配拼一次冠 失敗就打掉重 02/09 11:29
→ isaiah2727: 建了無遺憾 每年都小捕小修折磨人 還讓不讓球迷活啊 02/09 11:29
推 qoomilk: 不續約首輪很好阿，但是因為沒薪資空間才放掉可憐 02/09 11:29
推 isaiah2727: +7 第一節 02/09 11:37
推 godmother: 應該還有交易 02/09 12:15
→ foolishbi: 隊記也有說拿個首輪好動Nurk，搶波頭？ 02/09 12:20
推 l998: QQ 很喜歡Hart的說 02/09 12:20
推 andy00xx: 賽門加Nurk搞一波大的算了 打三衛就是今天這種鳥樣 02/09 12:25
→ loveless01: 要不跟狼管談談軟糖。搞不好對方真喜歡被搶第三次 02/09 12:29
→ otblue: 克總只能這樣？ 02/09 12:46
