看板car
看不懂本田在耍什麼把戲
搞一輛續航力只有89 miles的電動車，月租要$269 (美金)
(本田中文介紹：
http://cn.automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/clarity-electric )
這種續航力還好意思拿出來？
這種續航力跟價格比起對手一點競爭力也沒有
就算是定位在短距離通勤車也太貴、續航力太短
比起真正的電動車續航力根本不在同一個等級
這些傳統車廠的最大問題就是想把燃油車引擎油箱拆了換裝上馬達電池來做電動車
結果做出來的電動車續航力不好、效能不好，連帶打壞了消費者心中對於電動車的形象
就不能好好針對電池以及馬達從底盤好好設計一輛電動車嗎？
急著拿出這種半成品出來
讓人感覺這些車廠的目的是在扼殺電動車跟自己的未來
然後就有藉口說消費者不接受電動車所以我們不做了
這是因為你們做出了一輛爛車啊!!!
Electrek甚至說本田推出這種電動車近似於"無恥"
Honda seems to have shamelessly positioned the Clarity EV as a compliance car.
先不說今年下半年要開始交車的Model 3續航力多了一倍有餘
市面上的Leaf、Bolt、Zoe、中國境內一堆電動車續航力都比這多的多
本田推出這種車不曉得在想什麼，對得起本質迷嗎？
原文連結：
https://goo.gl/n2MCv4
原文內容：
Honda Clarity EV details: 89-mile range, lease only, $269/mo, available
August/September (DOA?)
Honda held a test drive event this weekend for the all-electric version
of their Clarity vehicle platform, and we learned answers to several of
the hanging questions about the vehicle.
The range, which we recently reported would be around 80 miles, will
actually be a bit higher-than-expected at 89 miles. The car also comes
with DC charging standard. This isn’t so bad compared to many other EVs
on the market, but in a world where the Bolt EV and Model 3 exist, this
range spec is starting to look a little dated. Even worse, the price is
higher than other “near-100-mile” EVs, with a factory lease price of
$269/mo, $1,999 down (including first month’s payment), though a very
generous 20,000 miles per year.
The Clarity EV will be available in August or September, and only as a
compliance vehicle in California and Oregon. With a price/feature
package like this, though, it might be dead on arrival, especially
compared to what else is available these days. Check below the break for
why.
The Clarity EV is capable of level 1, 2 and 3 charging. On level 1, a
standard 120v outlet, a full battery charge will take about 19 hours. On
level 2, which is the recommended home charging mode, a full charge will
take about 3 hours. On level 3 DC charging, you’ll be able to reach 80%
in about 30 minutes.
The battery is in the rear of the car, taking up room which would
otherwise be extra trunk space. There is a lot of empty space under the
hood, belying the fact that this is a car which shares a platform with
other drive configurations, and wasn’t designed around being
all-electric (else they could have several more cubic feet of storage
space in a “frunk”, had Honda designed the car around that idea).
Battery kWh was not specified, but from the charging times above it
sounds like it’s about 20-22kWh – which also means the DC charging
happens at only around ~40kW. This is better than nothing and it’s good
that DC charging is included, but the rate seems low when compared to the
Hyundai Ioniq EV‘s 100kW capability (albeit only for about 15 minutes
before the battery fills up too much and needs to throttle charging
rates).
For their part, Honda is happy with the range number because they wanted
to “differentiate” the EV from other vehicles in the Clarity line. The
EV version of the car is “a niche car for a niche customer.” For those
customers who do not need long range, they wanted to offer a battery
which is properly sized for their needs. While I’m sympathetic to this
reasoning as I often would like the option to buy smaller battery packs
in exchange for money/weight savings on the vehicle (I’m looking at you,
Tesla…a Roadster with ~300lbs less battery weight would handle so well…
), Honda’s price is too high to make up for their relatively low-spec
car.
For comparison, Hyundai’s recent “multiple drivetrains on one platform
” entry, the Ioniq EV, offers more range, the most efficient car ever
sold in the US (Ioniq EV gets 136mpge vs. Clarity’s 114mpge), faster DC
quick charging, and an “unlimited subscription package” which includes
unlimited mileage, free maintenance even on wear items (tires etc.), no
license fees, and even a reimbursement for charging costs. All of this
is available at $275/mo, just $6/mo more than the Clarity but with what
seems like a much better value proposition. Even the Clarity’s generous
20k miles/yr doesn’t compete with the Hyundai’s unlimited mileage.
The Bolt EV, which has a higher lease price than both, also seems to
offer a better package for the price. Factory lease deals are $329/mo
but some dealers will beat that, and for that price you get a much more
capable car, purpose-built EV which is speedy and fun – we loved it in
our review. And given the many other EVs with ~90 mile range which are
available for purchase or with significantly better lease deals than the
Clarity, all of which have been on the roads for years, Honda seems late
to the party with this one.
It is also troubling to offer a car as “a niche car for a niche customer.
” We’ve had plenty of experience with car companies refusing to sell
EVs seriously, either positioning them as geographically-limited “
compliance cars” or with dealerships veering customers away from full
EVs.
Honda seems to have shamelessly positioned the Clarity EV as a compliance
car, as it will only be available in two states, and only via a lease –
similar to their past effort, the Fit EV, and recalling shades of the GM
EV1 to longtime EV fans (see “Who Killed the Electric Car?” for more on
how GM killed their EV program, took back leased EVs and crushed them,
which then inspired Tesla’s founding). This was a common tactic for
many years among companies who just wanted ZEV credits so they could
continue to sell gas guzzlers in California, but it seemed like the
industry might be starting to move away from that direction with some
more serious, nationwide entrants like the Bolt EV.
So, Honda’s Clarity EV might fill a niche, but it seems like that niche
could be “people buying a car three or four years ago when these specs
might have been seen as average and who don’t mind paying a premium for
some reason.” It’s 2017, Honda. The Bolt, Ioniq and Model 3 exist (or
at least it will by September). You can do better than this.
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電動車的空間本來就能夠設計的很大，而且是在不犧牲續航力的狀況下
為了大空間而去犧牲最基本的續航力，個人覺得這根本是本末倒置
所以就說他們不肯重新設計呀!
把燃油車、燃料電池車的底盤車型直接拿來做電動車浪費掉的空間不知道有多少
浪費一堆空間還想要有車內空間
所以把電動車最基本的續航力砍了，這就是本末倒置
任何設計都會有消費者不滿
空間再大也都會有消費者覺得還要更大
當然空間大價格低續航長人人都想要
但必須要取捨的時候如何抉擇那就是車廠該好好規劃的事情
選擇了一種很笨的規劃那就是車廠的問題了
一款車好歹也會規劃要賣個5-10年吧
只想取巧拿燃油車或其他車的設計來做電動車短期看省錢
卻不知道長期失去了多少消費者信心
看到這款車，人們就會先產生原來本田只能做出這種電動車的印象
以後想挽回，難了
不愧是本質迷!!!
給你拍拍手
Honda造這種續航力只有89 miles的電動車都能護航
這台原先預定價格是3.5萬美金，跟Model 3一樣，而Model 3續航力是215+ miles
https://electrek.co/2017/02/27/honda-clarity-ev-80-mile-range-price/
只是現在放棄了這方案，改成純租賃
我雖然很欣賞電動車
但這種連BYD都比不上的半成品該批還是要批
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推 jason89514: 但上面沒提到Clarity 空間是最大的... 06/12 15:22
→ jason89514: 本田是依據上一代 FIT EV 使用者經驗，多數人回饋空間 06/12 15:23
→ jason89514: 太小，所以在Clarity EV上面以大空間換取續航力長.... 06/12 15:24
推 jason89514: 而且Clarit最初是針對燃料電池設計的，改成EV的話塞 06/12 15:31
→ jason89514: 不下太多鋰電池，加上為了降低售價他們也不想狂塞電池 06/12 15:31
→ jason89514: 本田大概是想要針對大空間、高配置、低價格、續航夠用 06/12 15:33
→ jason89514: 的用戶才出這款Clarity EV吧？畢竟以現在技術來說，要 06/12 15:33
→ jason89514: 滿足日常通勤代步、又要滿足偶爾的中長途旅遊，續航力 06/12 15:33
→ jason89514: 給你300-400km以上，消費者又會靠杯空間不夠寬敞吧 06/12 15:34
噓 hondasho: http://i.imgur.com/5OEBuOd.jpg 先去把 Honda 接下來 06/12 15:53
→ hondasho: 的願景看懂，再來酸他有沒有心研發電動車= = 06/12 15:53
→ hondasho: https://goo.gl/XQQTPS 本質迷都沒在崩潰了，您在崩什 06/12 15:53
→ hondasho: 麼？XD 06/12 15:54
推 shun01: 難道電池生鏽了 06/12 15:54
推 jason89514: 反正簡單的說本田是考量到正常使用狀況下所推出EV 06/12 15:55
→ jason89514: 然後讓電動汽車老老實實扮演通勤的角色而已 06/12 15:56
→ jason89514: 真的要開中長途再準備一輛燃油車或混和動力車 06/12 15:56
→ jason89514: 不過這個點子目前只適用於美國吧，其他地區還要慢慢推 06/12 15:57
噓 hondasho: 我認為對車廠來說，電動車還沒到可以完全普及化的狀態， 06/12 15:58
→ jason89514: 其實也沒什麼好噓的，就是研發思維與一般電動車不同 06/12 15:58
→ jason89514: 本田只是要讓消費者接受事實：現在電動車只適合通勤 06/12 15:58
→ jason89514: 還沒辦法完全取代傳統燃油車 06/12 15:59
→ hondasho: 目前這只是算宣誓意味和資料蒐集階段的產品，順便分擔 C 06/12 15:59
→ hondasho: LARITY 平台的成本 06/12 15:59
→ hondasho: http://i.imgur.com/ZtYH1Az.jpg 我是覺得光這句話就滿 06/12 16:03
→ hondasho: 值得噓的啦哈哈XD 06/12 16:03
→ hondasho: 畢竟6/8的 Honda Meeting 才說了有關電動化的願景 06/12 16:04
→ sdiaa: 現有車廠不推出電動車就準備關門惹... 06/12 16:18
→ Killercat: 老實講，這種做法滿務實的。觀感怎樣你已經表達出來了 06/12 16:25
→ Killercat: 但是對於一天就是要通勤那麼遠的人來講(60km) 算是一個 06/12 16:26
→ Killercat: 吸引力還ok的方案 06/12 16:26
→ Killercat: 但是訂價訂成35k 我只能說本田腦子被驢踢了 XDDDD 06/12 16:27
→ Killercat: 其實只要是多方測試可能的business model 我都很看好 06/12 16:28
→ Killercat: 反正他搞爛了還有Tesla 還有Nissan 爛自然會被收掉 06/12 16:28
推 CoachKuester: 在北加sf周邊的話，89mile是有市場，從南灣到博客 06/12 16:40
→ CoachKuester: 萊之間的通勤距離差不多 06/12 16:41