[外電] Nolan Ryan認為投球數限制害了投手

Rangers-ex Nolan Ryan still believes pitch counts are hurting arms In an article published over the weekend in the New York Daily News, Nolan Ryan was interviewed about why many of today's big-name pitchers are having Tommy John surgery. As Texas fans would expect from watching his approach to pitching as the Rangers president, Ryan, now with the Astros, blames stamina for many arm problems. “It’s because pitchers simply don’t throw as much as we did,” Ryan replied. “That’s the real issue here. When I pitched, we pitched every fourth day and guys would pitch 300 innings and it wasn’t considered a big deal. If you don’t get on the mound and develop stamina, you’re risking injury. This whole thing with the 100-pitch count limit — I have a real problem with that. Pitchers are all different and when you put standard limitations on them, you’re not utilizing their talent.” Ryan's theory has support from Tommy John. The namesake of the elbow ligament transplant surgery many star pitchers are getting, John believed that reducing today's pitching workload isn't doing any current hurlers any favors and is critical of those who still believe it. “I absolutely agree with Nolan that more is better,” John said in the article. “Years ago, I’d have gone along with the thinking that there’s only so many bullets in your arm. But we’ve ‘dumbed down’ our thinking today to believing that pitch counts and innings limitations are the way to go to preserve arms. Starting in 1975 with the White Sox, when Johnny Sain was my pitching coach, I would throw six days a week out of seven and it was the best my arm ever felt. For the next 13 years, I never missed a start, except once when I had the flu." http://0rz.tw/gb0KD Nolan Ryan:我們以前投一休三 一年投300局都沒事 現在投手就是因為投球數限制 所以體力太差了 這根本浪費了投手的才能 Tommy John也認為保護投手反而害了他們 同意Ryan說的 投越多越好 --
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推 qlz:Tommy John難道希望每個投手都去接受以他為名的手術？ 03/28 05:41

推 secpeda:美國郭泰源 03/28 05:50

推 EEERRIICC:天生神力的在那邊說人家天分不構 03/28 06:41

推 micotosai:跟王貞治一樣的思維呀，把自己投射到別人你以為超人滿天 03/28 06:44

→ micotosai:飛呀? 03/28 06:44

→ MichaelBourn:田中表示: 03/28 07:02

→ cacoi:花錢請投手受傷對雙方都不好吧 03/28 07:40

→ ps20012001:XDDDD... 這句話讓他說 怎麼都覺得怪怪的... 03/28 07:55

推 toya123:XDD 03/28 08:25

→ toya123:台日思維領先全球阿 03/28 08:25

推 jojo2147:會不會以前是為了投多所以每次丟球的手臂壓力都相對小一 03/28 08:31

→ jojo2147:些? 現在單次投擲強度都太強才容易受傷? 03/28 08:32

推 kimania:樓上~如果投輕一點不會被打爆誰不想投輕一點? 03/28 08:35

推 Kobelephants:越投越帶勁 03/28 08:50

推 KevinLiou:投久了 連疼痛都會怕你 03/28 09:09

推 frank47147:美國特快車 03/28 09:17

推 sulaIX:肩膀會痛是血路不通，多投幾球就通了 03/28 09:17

推 mrkey:不過先別說 Ryan, 其實過去的確是比較多 200 innings pitche 03/28 09:17

→ charlie01:呵 一年動不動就丟六百多局的那一票清朝古人 03/28 09:17

→ charlie01:應該也要從墳墓爬起來嗆一下這兩位... 03/28 09:18

→ mrkey:去年 200+ IP 只有36, 前年 31. 但是70年代, 這個數字是 03/28 09:18

噓 corlos:美國郭泰源 03/28 09:19

→ mrkey:"平均" 60+ 03/28 09:19

→ mrkey:Ryan這樣放聲的確有點不知他腦筋在想啥 03/28 09:20

→ mrkey:但這幾年200+ inn. hurler 像 Buehrle 這種咖 03/28 09:21

→ charlie01:Pud Galvin 1883-84連續兩年丟了幾乎一千三百局 03/28 09:21

→ mrkey:越來越少也少也是不爭的事實 03/28 09:21

→ charlie01:以現在的標準可以整年請他一個先發就好 XDD 03/28 09:21

→ charlie01:唔 認真的說還是和每個時代的演進有關啦 03/28 09:26

→ charlie01:70s是投手年代 那時候一隊輪值也只有四人 03/28 09:26

→ charlie01:90s則是百年一見的投手怪物年代 03/28 09:27

→ charlie01:各種強度因子的進化應該也有點關聯.. 03/28 09:28

→ imgay5566:美國郭泰源 中職領先業界20年 03/28 09:55

→ abc12812:以前炸掉的投手更多 只是炸了之後大家就忘了 03/28 10:21

推 Fezico:我記得當初SALE也有討論這個問題。 03/28 10:23

→ Fezico:不過關皮也講過投手哪時候會炸掉誰也不知道 03/28 10:24

推 hippobear:近代打者也變強了 投手每球所花的體力也增加 03/28 10:39

推 phrita:越投越殆盡 03/28 10:57

→ wahaha5678:中職果然領先全球XD 03/28 10:57

推 redsoxnation:台灣高中教練是大聯盟級的 03/28 11:57

推 lukehong:他們當GM真的敢只排4個SP全部拼完投？ 03/28 12:03

推 kkk123:簡單啊 這又沒硬性規定 以後遊騎兵的投手一年就三百局 03/28 12:12

推 purplebfly:有投球限制後,還不是一堆名投也爆掉 03/28 12:18

推 Carmelo3:要投到連疼痛都怕你 03/28 12:40

→ charlie01:他已經不在遊騎兵了啦.... 03/28 13:00

推 ccl007:很簡單 去找MLB球隊來實驗看看 拿冠軍就是你的理論獲勝 03/28 13:32

推 vg175:Ryan已經離開條子了 太空人的投手要自求多福 Rodon挫咧蛋 03/28 13:55

推 r90009:CPBL > MLB 03/28 14:06

推 alex710707:有傳聞太空人搞不好會選Kolek喔 03/28 14:20

→ borriss:現在重選球跟上壘率後 100球換的局數是不是有變短啊? 03/28 15:22

推 JackSmith:現在的環境跟以前不一樣了，以前都重視打擊率，但現在 03/28 16:05

→ JackSmith:除了打擊，也很重視上壘率，所以投手要耗的球數就更多 03/28 16:05

推 KnightVald:美國郭泰源 03/28 17:00

→ lmja:原來米國也有還沒上太空而在繼續殺豬公的 03/28 17:27

推 miabcd199: 世界的領航者 - 中華職棒 03/28 17:38

推 ClutchShot:觀念本來就一定會有不同派別 投球數是隨著時間發展比較 03/28 18:06

→ ClutchShot:客觀容易的評估方式了 受傷原因百百種 好的教練本就不 03/28 18:07

→ ClutchShot:該只懂得計算投球數 投球機制 休息日的訓練菜單 很多東 03/28 18:07

→ ClutchShot:西的細節都可以去深入探討 但現代棒球真的跟以前不同 03/28 18:09

→ ClutchShot:投不到300局不是因為怕受傷吧 還沒投到就被打爆啦 = = 03/28 18:10

→ ClutchShot:老提中3日 問題是中3日還能投好的投手有幾個 03/28 18:11

推 MessiWang:因為薪資越來越高 老闆越來越寶阿 03/28 18:39

→ iso903306:以前熱身 牛棚練投少? 現在熱身+練投投太多?? 03/28 18:58

推 o0991758566:他的確有資格說 因為他根本是神的手臂 03/28 19:21

→ borriss:之前愛砲這的morris也是 第9局/9月 反而更威 03/28 19:43

推 sunchen0201:看到TommyJohn就笑場了.. 03/28 23:26

推 burdette:郭泰源表示:想當年我單日投17局 中間只休30分鐘 03/29 01:55

→ burdette:太遠的不說 今年剛入名人堂的那兩位也都很耐操 03/29 01:56

→ burdette:Maddux年輕時有連續四年超過260局 後來因為罷工而中止 03/29 01:57

推 krajicek:連Ryan也這樣講，跟郭總一樣的思維耶 03/29 09:43

→ zunino:德州特快車喔~喔喔~喔喔 03/29 10:47

推 kuyung:媒體去訪問那些因為局數太多被操壞的 看看他們怎麼說阿 03/29 13:46

→ kuyung:訪問耐操的當然這麼說... 03/29 13:46

噓 lordi:美國郭泰源 03/29 18:31